Cadence - is it really one size fits all?



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    Sergi Ouh

    Hi, I think you are confused and mix up some physics concepts. 

    You can go the same speed at diferent cadence. I mean you could go from A to B in 1 minute. That will be always B-A/ 60 miles per hour. Always. But in one example you could do that distance in 1 minute taking 20 steps, or 100 steps. In the second scenario your cadence is higuer as you take more steps per minute. 

    You could see that your head is moving at the same speed, but you can choose if you take slower and bigger steps(small cadence), or the contrary.

    Im am just an user trying to encourage Vi’s enterpreneurs to work as hard as elon musk to make vi a good trainer using the parameter POWER to mark a difference with the probably coming google coach.

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    Jan Tuncer

    Hi Sergei

    Thanks for your comment.  

    I do actually understand the difference between speed and cadence - in simple terms, it's your step turnover rate.  My point really is that when you're on a guided treadmill run, and told to run at a particular speed, it's virtually impossible to hit the step rate that Vi is suggesting.

    You can slightly increase cadence on the treadmill by placing your feet side to side instead of forward, but that's really not helping your running form.

    I also feel that Vi has totally miscalculated the cadence I can achieve on outdoor runs.  I have a forefoot strike, and would be prancing like a pony if I took small steps.

    I'd be interested in someone from Vi giving more information about how 'intelligent' the cadence calculation is.

    I'm definitely willing to step outside my comfort zone (quite literally) to improve - but I'm also concerned that it's setting me a target that I'm not physically built to achieve, and negatively affecting my running form.  I gave up using my Vi for months, as I just felt inadequate.  It's not helpful to be continually told you're not hitting a standard.  I'm questioning how important that standard is for ALL abilities of runner?

    I stopped using Vi for months, and enjoyed running again, lengthened my stride, gradually increased my step turnover rate and was running a faster pace.

    Please can someone from Vi consider whether the cadence feature could take more account of different abilities / bodies? 


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    Jan Tuncer


    OK, it would still be nice to get a response from Vi about this, but in the meantime I have an update for anyone who may be having similar issues.

    I set the incline on my treadmill to 1.5 for the whole run today.  I guess that has forced a change in form, and I not only met my step rate, but smashed it.  I don't know how sustainable this will be when I'm running outdoors on the flat - and my form looks less and less like other experienced runners I see - but I will keep trusting the training programme for now and see what happens.  It may be worth Vi noting this workaround and offering tips to treadmill users?

    I'm still slightly concerned about the amount of emphasis on step rate though.  If you're not hitting it, she will mention it so many times in a run that it feels like a very negative start for new runners. No matter how nicely it's said, the human brain hears "You're not getting it, you're still not getting it, you're not good enough, you're not doing what you need to...."

    So my feature request / grumble is for Vi to say why cadence is so utterly important that it MUST be hit.  And maybe a little acknowledgement that some people won't get it straight away, and that's ok.  

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    Mark Quinn

    If I may, from my own experience, my cadence was initially 165 steps per minute but having looked in to the science behind the importance of increasing it, whatever you height, is to reduce impact on your knees and put efficiency in the run. This occurs by reducing your vertical oscillation (bounce).

    It does take time to naturally start running at a faster cadence and it does feel weird and uncomfortable at first. Over a fairly short period of time your cadence will increase. I'm now running at 180-184 steps per minute quite naturally and have found that impact has reduced and I run more efficiently by minimising ground contact on each step.

    Keep at it and all the best. 


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